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New Prometheus Promo Stills & Article from the NY Times
  • ViscalViscal  (5 like this)
    Brometheus
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    http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/05/06/movies/20120506-OVERBYE-6.html
    Thanks to Dan W. and seeasea for the link to these images!

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    Full article (via ZsoltiDarkoo's tweet)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/movies/prometheus-returns-ridley-scott-to-outer-space.html

    IT is the year 2089 when Elizabeth Shaw, an archaeologist with a spiritual bent, chips through a wall in a cave in the bleak mountains of Scotland and finds out that the human race is not alone in the universe. Illuminated by her torchlight is a 35,000-year-old painting of people worshiping a giant, who is pointing to a small cluster of stars.

    “I think they want us to come and find them,” she says, eyes alight.

    Feel free to start screaming anytime. The words “we’re not alone” can be a doorway to either salvation or terror.

    That is the knife edge on which the British director Ridley Scott has balanced “Prometheus,” his long-awaited return to the universe without mercy or comfort that he first created in the 1979 movie “Alien.”

    “Prometheus,” due June 8 from 20th Century Fox, is the first science fiction directed by Mr. Scott since “Blade Runner” in 1982 and the first he has made in 3-D. The movie, with a screenplay by Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelof, follows the adventures of the archaeologist Shaw, played by Noomi Rapace, who gained fame as the girl with the dragon tattoo in the Swedish film trilogy. Aboard the hubristically named spaceship Prometheus she uses an ancient star map to guide her to an obscure moon of an obscure planet in the hope of meeting her maker.

    Joining her on this cosmic cruise are, among others, Charlize Theron as a chilly corporate executive, Meredith Vickers, with mysterious motives; Michael Fassbender as David, an android of equally ambiguous talents and agenda; and Logan Marshall-Green as Holloway, Shaw’s colleague and love interest. Guy Pearce also appears in various guises as Peter Weyland, the leader of an interplanetary conglomerate that owns the ship and much of the rest of the galaxy.

    Exactly what happens out there, neither Mr. Scott nor anyone else will say. Web sites have been devoted to frame-by-frame analyses of trailers, images and whatever clues Mr. Scott and cast members have let drop.

    Among the viral goodies out there is the Web site of Weyland Industries (837.53 million employees), with an ad for its new line of David androids and a 2023 TED talk by Weyland in which he rattles off technological achievements, including the ability to make robots indistinguishable from humans. “We are the gods now,” he announces.

    Uh oh.

    It’s not much of a spoiler to say that things don’t go well. In Greek mythology Prometheus, after all, was chained to a rock and had his liver eternally pecked out for the crime of stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans.

    On the phone from London, where the film was mostly shot, Mr. Scott described it as “ ‘2001’ on steroids.” He said he liked Stanley Kubrick’s notion of “a police agency in the universe that will give a ball of dirt a kick.”

    “God doesn’t hate us,” Mr. Scott added ominously. “But God could be disappointed in us — like children.”

    The star map leads to the same planet that the ship in “Alien” will visit 30 years later, but Mr. Scott said “Prometheus” was not a prequel to that 1979 movie, which was a kind of haunted-house story featuring the crew of a space freighter being picked off by a monster that makes its debut by bursting out of someone’s belly. Moviegoers, he has said teasingly, will be able to discern the DNA of “Alien” in the new movie, but whether he means the gritty dystopian setting or the gooey stuff of life itself — or both — time will tell.

    After five sequels and a series of comic books, Mr. Scott said he figured the franchise was finished, comparing the monster with a joke gone flat from too many tellings. Three years ago, eager to get back to science fiction, he thought there might be a way back into the “Alien” world, to “rescue” the franchise, as he put, it by picking up a loose thread from the original movie that had been neglected.

    In the first film the unlucky freighter crew finds a derelict spaceship, and in the pilot’s chair is a giant humanoid being with an exploded chest. In the very next scene a strange egg opens up and wraps itself around the face of a crew member, played by John Hurt. “Once John Hurt looks into that egg, the film took off,” Mr. Scott said. But he was surprised nobody ever asked him about the “space jockey,” referring to the being in the pilot’s chair, which he called a “very obvious and glaring question.”

    “Who was he? Why did he land there? Was he in trouble?” Mr. Scott wondered. And why was he carrying a cargo of such “wicked biotechnology”? Mr. Scott acknowledged that he himself did not know the answers and thought that James Cameron, who directed the first sequel, “Aliens,” would address the question. “Jim is more of a logician.”

    But the enigma remained. He pitched the idea to Fox, but in the process of developing it, he said, “a grand new mythology” emerged.

    That mythology is Mr. Scott’s own particular mash-up of high and low culture. On the one hand, he said, he was inspired by the current quest to look for life beyond Earth, under the sands of Mars and in the oceans beneath the ice covering Jupiter’s moon Europa.

    “I think, wow, this is a pretty useful basis for my film,” Mr. Scott recalled.

    At the other end of the credibility scale is the pop archaeologist Erich von Daniken, who argued in books like his 1968 “Chariots of the Gods” that there was archaeological evidence in the form of things like the Nazca lines in Peru that we had received visitors from outer space. His claims gained no traction among professional archaeologists, but, Mr. Scott said, “to me it all made sense.”

    In news conferences and in conversation Mr. Scott has evinced sympathy for the notion — popular in some circles, including the Vatican — that it is almost “mathematically impossible” for life on Earth to have gotten to where it is today without help.

    “It is so enormously irrational that we can do this,” he went on, referring to our conversation — “two specs of atoms on a carbon ball.”

    “Who pushed it along?” he asked. Have we been previsited by gods or aliens? “The fact that they’d be at least a billion years ahead of us in technology is daunting, and one might use the word God or gods or engineers of life in space.”

    And would we want to meet them again? Mr. Scott’s countryman the cosmologist Stephen Hawking has suggested that we should be careful Out There. “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet,” Dr. Hawking said.

    Mr. Scott agreed: “Hopefully they won’t visit.”

    As the movie suggests, however, we might not be able to resist visiting them, whether they like it or not.

    Behind the Prometheus legend is the idea that “the gods want to limit their creations; they might want to dethrone God,” said Mr. Lindelof, best known as one of the creators of the television series “Lost.” (He wrote the final “Prometheus” screenplay, revising a script by Mr. Spaihts.)

    Mr. Lindelof said he had almost driven off the road when Mr. Scott first phoned: He was given two hours to read Mr. Spaihts’s script while a guard waited outside. He described the process of working with Mr. Scott as “you do everything you can to prevent him from thinking you’re an idiot.”

    The dilemma with science fiction, he said, is that the questions it raises can be more engaging than the answers provided.

    “I hope no one thinks we are overly pretentious,” Mr. Lindelof said. “We set out to make something entertaining and thrilling to watch, not a band of people sitting around talking about the meaning of life.”

    In keeping with its Promethean theme the movie is laced with generational conflict, Mr. Lindelof said. There is, for example, the robot David. “Hey, a bunch of humans seeking out their creator,” Mr. Lindelof explained. “David knows exactly who created him, and he is not impressed by his creator.” He can see, hear and think better than humans and is stronger than they are too.

    Nor are all the humans so impressed with David: Vickers refers to him as “a toaster,” ordering him out of the room. But Weyland describes the android as the son he never had, saying David has everything he would ever want in a son, except for a soul.

    David smiles.
    I wanna go home and party.
  • homer1962homer1962  
    Colonist
    That is one creepy robot! Is he concerned, detached or simply perving?
  • bunnypfbunnypf  
    Colonist
    Is that Ford and a Merc with David? Could be just before they meet the Engineer meaning that they meet their end on the Juggernaut.
    "Once upon a time I was a hell of an Engineer."
  • terrapinbearterrapinbear  
    Colonist
    Nothing like chicks in bikinis to lure the masses to the movie theater.
    =\/\/= The Prometheus Has Landed! =\/\/=
  • ViscalViscal  (1 like this)
    Brometheus
    Full article (via ZsoltiDarkoo's tweet)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/movies/prometheus-returns-ridley-scott-to-outer-space.html

    IT is the year 2089 when Elizabeth Shaw, an archaeologist with a spiritual bent, chips through a wall in a cave in the bleak mountains of Scotland and finds out that the human race is not alone in the universe. Illuminated by her torchlight is a 35,000-year-old painting of people worshiping a giant, who is pointing to a small cluster of stars.

    “I think they want us to come and find them,” she says, eyes alight.

    Feel free to start screaming anytime. The words “we’re not alone” can be a doorway to either salvation or terror.

    That is the knife edge on which the British director Ridley Scott has balanced “Prometheus,” his long-awaited return to the universe without mercy or comfort that he first created in the 1979 movie “Alien.”

    “Prometheus,” due June 8 from 20th Century Fox, is the first science fiction directed by Mr. Scott since “Blade Runner” in 1982 and the first he has made in 3-D. The movie, with a screenplay by Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelof, follows the adventures of the archaeologist Shaw, played by Noomi Rapace, who gained fame as the girl with the dragon tattoo in the Swedish film trilogy. Aboard the hubristically named spaceship Prometheus she uses an ancient star map to guide her to an obscure moon of an obscure planet in the hope of meeting her maker.

    Joining her on this cosmic cruise are, among others, Charlize Theron as a chilly corporate executive, Meredith Vickers, with mysterious motives; Michael Fassbender as David, an android of equally ambiguous talents and agenda; and Logan Marshall-Green as Holloway, Shaw’s colleague and love interest. Guy Pearce also appears in various guises as Peter Weyland, the leader of an interplanetary conglomerate that owns the ship and much of the rest of the galaxy.

    Exactly what happens out there, neither Mr. Scott nor anyone else will say. Web sites have been devoted to frame-by-frame analyses of trailers, images and whatever clues Mr. Scott and cast members have let drop.

    Among the viral goodies out there is the Web site of Weyland Industries (837.53 million employees), with an ad for its new line of David androids and a 2023 TED talk by Weyland in which he rattles off technological achievements, including the ability to make robots indistinguishable from humans. “We are the gods now,” he announces.

    Uh oh.

    It’s not much of a spoiler to say that things don’t go well. In Greek mythology Prometheus, after all, was chained to a rock and had his liver eternally pecked out for the crime of stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans.

    On the phone from London, where the film was mostly shot, Mr. Scott described it as “ ‘2001’ on steroids.” He said he liked Stanley Kubrick’s notion of “a police agency in the universe that will give a ball of dirt a kick.”

    “God doesn’t hate us,” Mr. Scott added ominously. “But God could be disappointed in us — like children.”

    The star map leads to the same planet that the ship in “Alien” will visit 30 years later, but Mr. Scott said “Prometheus” was not a prequel to that 1979 movie, which was a kind of haunted-house story featuring the crew of a space freighter being picked off by a monster that makes its debut by bursting out of someone’s belly. Moviegoers, he has said teasingly, will be able to discern the DNA of “Alien” in the new movie, but whether he means the gritty dystopian setting or the gooey stuff of life itself — or both — time will tell.

    After five sequels and a series of comic books, Mr. Scott said he figured the franchise was finished, comparing the monster with a joke gone flat from too many tellings. Three years ago, eager to get back to science fiction, he thought there might be a way back into the “Alien” world, to “rescue” the franchise, as he put, it by picking up a loose thread from the original movie that had been neglected.

    In the first film the unlucky freighter crew finds a derelict spaceship, and in the pilot’s chair is a giant humanoid being with an exploded chest. In the very next scene a strange egg opens up and wraps itself around the face of a crew member, played by John Hurt. “Once John Hurt looks into that egg, the film took off,” Mr. Scott said. But he was surprised nobody ever asked him about the “space jockey,” referring to the being in the pilot’s chair, which he called a “very obvious and glaring question.”

    “Who was he? Why did he land there? Was he in trouble?” Mr. Scott wondered. And why was he carrying a cargo of such “wicked biotechnology”? Mr. Scott acknowledged that he himself did not know the answers and thought that James Cameron, who directed the first sequel, “Aliens,” would address the question. “Jim is more of a logician.”

    But the enigma remained. He pitched the idea to Fox, but in the process of developing it, he said, “a grand new mythology” emerged.

    That mythology is Mr. Scott’s own particular mash-up of high and low culture. On the one hand, he said, he was inspired by the current quest to look for life beyond Earth, under the sands of Mars and in the oceans beneath the ice covering Jupiter’s moon Europa.

    “I think, wow, this is a pretty useful basis for my film,” Mr. Scott recalled.

    At the other end of the credibility scale is the pop archaeologist Erich von Daniken, who argued in books like his 1968 “Chariots of the Gods” that there was archaeological evidence in the form of things like the Nazca lines in Peru that we had received visitors from outer space. His claims gained no traction among professional archaeologists, but, Mr. Scott said, “to me it all made sense.”

    In news conferences and in conversation Mr. Scott has evinced sympathy for the notion — popular in some circles, including the Vatican — that it is almost “mathematically impossible” for life on Earth to have gotten to where it is today without help.

    “It is so enormously irrational that we can do this,” he went on, referring to our conversation — “two specs of atoms on a carbon ball.”

    “Who pushed it along?” he asked. Have we been previsited by gods or aliens? “The fact that they’d be at least a billion years ahead of us in technology is daunting, and one might use the word God or gods or engineers of life in space.”

    And would we want to meet them again? Mr. Scott’s countryman the cosmologist Stephen Hawking has suggested that we should be careful Out There. “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet,” Dr. Hawking said.

    Mr. Scott agreed: “Hopefully they won’t visit.”

    As the movie suggests, however, we might not be able to resist visiting them, whether they like it or not.

    Behind the Prometheus legend is the idea that “the gods want to limit their creations; they might want to dethrone God,” said Mr. Lindelof, best known as one of the creators of the television series “Lost.” (He wrote the final “Prometheus” screenplay, revising a script by Mr. Spaihts.)

    Mr. Lindelof said he had almost driven off the road when Mr. Scott first phoned: He was given two hours to read Mr. Spaihts’s script while a guard waited outside. He described the process of working with Mr. Scott as “you do everything you can to prevent him from thinking you’re an idiot.”

    The dilemma with science fiction, he said, is that the questions it raises can be more engaging than the answers provided.

    “I hope no one thinks we are overly pretentious,” Mr. Lindelof said. “We set out to make something entertaining and thrilling to watch, not a band of people sitting around talking about the meaning of life.”

    In keeping with its Promethean theme the movie is laced with generational conflict, Mr. Lindelof said. There is, for example, the robot David. “Hey, a bunch of humans seeking out their creator,” Mr. Lindelof explained. “David knows exactly who created him, and he is not impressed by his creator.” He can see, hear and think better than humans and is stronger than they are too.

    Nor are all the humans so impressed with David: Vickers refers to him as “a toaster,” ordering him out of the room. But Weyland describes the android as the son he never had, saying David has everything he would ever want in a son, except for a soul.

    David smiles.
    I wanna go home and party.
  • homer1962homer1962  
    Colonist
    "2001 on steroids"  sigh, faint, apoplexy, 

    “God doesn’t hate us,” Mr. Scott added ominously. “But God could be disappointed in us — like children.”  Saw that one a mile off.

    “Who was he? Why did he land there? Was he in trouble?” Mr. Scott wondered. And why was he carrying a cargo of such “wicked biotechnology”

    What cargo was that again? What are you talking about Ridley?

  • BerenBeren  
    Colonist
    If David's head gets ripped off at least he can still be self-aware. You try that superior humans. :D
    Hey Ripley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...
  • RthrTylrRthrTylr  
    Colonist
    @
    homer1962

    You did see the original movie, right? You're not aware that the Alien is a biotechnological creature?
  • VodiVodi  (1 like this)
    Predator
    Debunking the 'Vickers is an android' theory or merely a red herring?

    "Nor are all the humans so impressed with David: Vickers refers to him as “a toaster,” ordering him out of the room."
    Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
  • VodiVodi  
    Predator
    RthrTylr said:

    @
    homer1962


    You did see the original movie, right? You're not aware that the Alien is a biotechnological creature?


    Welcome, RthrTylr

    You'll find that homer1962 was probably making a joke :P
    Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
  • rabidrangerrabidranger  (1 like this)
    Colonist

    Here's what I consider the key passage:


    As the movie suggests, however, we might not be able to resist visiting them, whether they like it or not.

    Behind the Prometheus legend is the idea that “the gods want to limit their creations; they might want to dethrone God,”


    The question arises: Is the Enginner annoyed at any human presence what-so-ever, or is David's presence especially galling? I'll go with the latter.


     

  • homer1962homer1962  
    Colonist
    RthrTylr said:

    @
    homer1962


    You did see the original movie, right? You're not aware that the Alien is a biotechnological creature?


    Welcome Rthr Tylr. Enjoy your stay.

    Yeah, on the premiere screening night in my home town in 1979. 

    The "cargo" issue is an in joke here. How can I put this delicately? Some people here don't agree with Ridley's statements that the derelict had a cargo/payload in its hull.
  • eomea5eomea5  
    Colonist
    anyone else notice that the article states that the moon in prometheus is the same planet from Alien? We already know it has a different name, so I am a bit confused - maybe the author was as well?
  • virtftwvirtftw  (1 like this)
    Colonist
    eomea5 said:

    anyone else notice that the article states that the moon in prometheus is the same planet from Alien? We already know it has a different name, so I am a bit confused - maybe the author was as well?



    "
    The star map leads to the same planet that the ship in “Alien” will visit 30 years later"

    Yeah .... that's a bit confusing. Could be more misinformation like with Vickers, could also be a mistake on the part of the author of the article, or editor. Or previously available information was incorrect.

    So what now.

    *looks down. "my my, big things really can have small beginnings"
  • bunnypfbunnypf  
    Colonist
    The first part of the article is the author making shit up. As is his reference to the 'cargo'.
    "Once upon a time I was a hell of an Engineer."
  • kjohnson26kjohnson26  (1 like this)
    Colonist
    "Exactly what happens out there, neither Mr. Scott nor anyone else will
    say. Web sites have been devoted to frame-by-frame analyses of trailers,
    images and whatever clues Mr. Scott and cast members have let drop."


    HaHa!

    I don't know it seems like the Engineers/Jockeys are the ones that had the original really bad day. I think it more likely they are not the creators as such possibly in the saucer.
  • padruigpadruig  
    Colonist


    one must wonder if we're not the 'mote in Gods eye'

    Viscal said:


    "Web sites have been devoted to frame-by-frame analyses of trailers, images and whatever clues Mr. Scott and cast members have let drop."

    Thus human beings are now carrying out a large scale geophysical experiment of a kind that could not have happened in the past nor be reproduced in the future. Within a few centuries we are returning to the atmosphere and oceans the concentrated organic carbon stored in sedimentary rocks over hundreds of millions of years.
  • virtftwvirtftw  
    Colonist
    I really wonder about that statement, I can't think of *any* website which would disect a pending movie release frame-by-frame :P

    Where are they getting that from I wonder ... 

    *looks down. "my my, big things really can have small beginnings"
  • nccollins57nccollins57  (1 like this)
    Colonist

    I wouldn't put it past Sir Ridley to pepper us with misinformation; from the very beginning!  I believe the trailers, the Weyland website, the photos and interviews are all part of a complete "experience".  The "reveals" seem to be carefully planned and overall, masterful showmanship for us, alien fans and newbies alike.  Am I not correct that this website was actually created and launched by the Promethius project?  I found this via Facebook, so I don't know.

    The only thing that makes me sad is that Guillermo Del Toro says he's dropping his Mountains of Madness project, due to Ridley's coverage of the theme in Promethius! Sob!! I still think he could do a fantastic Lovecraft tribute in his own way, perhaps in the late 1800's with a steam punk approach and goodly dash of bizarre mysticism (a la Hellboy and Labrynth style).  Guellermo, please say it isn't so! 

    "Micro changes in air density, my a_s!" ~Ripley
  • rabidrangerrabidranger  
    Colonist

    I don't think what we've been privy to is misinformation. It's all legit, we just lack context on much of it and the truly important details have been kept under wraps.


    As an aside, I'm sensing a cycle of creator/creation in this film that necessitates someone higher than the Engineers:


    David>Humans


    Humans>Engineers


    Engineers>?

  • MustangJeffMustangJeff  (2 like this)
    Colonist
    Vodi said:

    Debunking the 'Vickers is an android' theory or merely a red herring?

    "Nor are all the humans so impressed with David: Vickers refers to him as “a toaster,” ordering him out of the room."


    One thought.


    Remember Rachel from Blade Runner.  She was an android/replicant that wasn't told what she was.


    What if Vickers is the Prometheus version of Rachel? 

  • rabidrangerrabidranger  (1 like this)
    Colonist
    A lot of people think that would be derivative-but I like it.
  • VodiVodi  (1 like this)
    Predator
    A lot of people think that would be derivative-but I like it.


    I aren't sure Ridley would go that path

    To some fanboys it'd be cool and to the others sacrilegious; you can't win 
    Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
  • rabidrangerrabidranger  
    Colonist
    I choose to not put Scott on such a pedestal to think that what he's going to put on screen with Prometheus is going to be this earth-shattering event. It will be a great movie, but he's going to go the conventional route on a few things.
  • CharismCharism  
    Colonist
    Shaw body has perfect shape. <3
  • VodiVodi  
    Predator
    I don't think it's about "Earth-shattering" in this case, it's about using an idea identical to one you've already used

    In that respect, it's a bit too much like "it was Earth all along!" and I think even Ridley would be aware of that trap
    Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

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